If I could throw out two races instead of having to do that Eanie Meanie Minie Moe thing....
I might be as famous as you...!
gary, you're way more famous than i am, but for different reasons. throwin out or throwin up aint gonna help ya any.
this year, for all intents and purposes, my deal was over after the 3rd race, partly because i won some races and my closest competition didn't do well, but also because marble falls was still on the schedule. kraft woulda still been in it, as well as some other cal/nev people if the travel demand hadn't been so high. just was what it was, not my fault. i chose to go because 1) it was a required race on the schedule, 2)i knew carr would be there, 3) i like the track, 4) i like the people, 5) i had other things i wanted to accomplish in addition to the championship. but to be honest, it wasn't as much fun without my boys barretta, kraft, and shaw there.
continual long schedules that include long travel and "time away" demands to run for championships will have a damaging effect on the sport. i've already heard it and then seen it happen. championship schedules need to be firmly set and established, with respect to region and distance.
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quote:Originally posted by Pontiac man: Something about a "Joint Points Race" comes to mind from last years' KDBA business meeting LOL
Well, the big sticking point was the Pro Mod purse. SLDBA expected KDBA to match SLDBA's purse for Pro Mod. SLDBA did not expect to match KDBA's purse for 9's and 10's though. Who races Pro Mod...well, let's see... Charlie Z. Is anyone seeinig a pattern yet? Instead of driving 200 mils you can now drive 400 to 800. Thank Charlie Z for that. Fred W. tried and tried. Fred even finally convinced KDBA into letting pro mod keep ALL of their entry fees back to the purse. No deal. CZ Wags
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OK, I'm done bustin SLDBA's balls. It is a damn good club with damn good people. I'd encourage everyone that can, to run with them this year. I think the club will change some more in the 2010 season for the better. I can't wait. Wags
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What happened to having to declare which races you were going to run? SLDBA required us a few years ago to decide at the Creve Coeur race. We had to choose between Augusta and Oklahoma city, I think.
As far as purses go,there should be some standards set. If it is not a full field then does that mean the club can choose how much the payout is? A PCE racer won at Litchfield a few years ago and since it was'nt a full field only got paid a few bucks. IHBA paid full purses when they did'nt have full fields in the past. Racers should know how much they are racing for. And the winning purse should be at least enough to cover their race cost. Within reason anyway. It costs me about $1000 per race. So if I ever win one, I'm sure I would'nt lose money.
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quote:Originally posted by wagspe208: OK, I'm done bustin SLDBA's balls. It is a damn good club with damn good people. I'd encourage everyone that can, to run with them this year. I think the club will change some more in the 2010 season for the better. I can't wait. Wags
I agree 100%, great people, great club. Only one exception.
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quote:Originally posted by wagspe208: BTW.. I have been thrown out of bars, strip clubs, asked to leave weddings, told to leave parties, threatened by fathers, and told to mind my p's and q's. Wags [/QB]
quote:Originally posted by Ray Neudecker: Obviously they are concerned about travel with Oklahoma City,Choateau, Augusta , and High Point on the schedule.
Hey Ray tell that to Tippets and the others on the east coast who if they want to race they have to drive 12-15 hrs to all of them or only race two races a year. Who wants to do that. SLDBA gave the racers the choice to pick so they didn't have to go to all four races and drive all over the place. Not to mention they are tring to support boat counts for other Associations. SLDBA tried to step up and get boats to go the the east coast and come out of the east coast when no one else did anything. I also have not seen very many folks step up and say hey I have water here and I have spoken to the folks around and I can get a promoter. Now don't get me wrong we have had some that have found water but it doesn't meet the other needs, Hotels, Fan Base, Promoter, able to close the water, logistics. Plus we always have the folks that say they can do it and when it come down to signing on the dotted line and putting their a$$ on the line some how it all fades away.
This is for all! I guess I am just sick of hearing all the bashing when it has been the same 15-20 folks who have busted their collective butts over the last 25 years just to give you/us a place to play with your/our toys and all you can do is bitch and moan about how bad it is. If you can do better step up. Run for a position, work multiple races, Try to make EVERYONE HAPPY and see how much fun and pleasure you get out of it. Deal with the city's, promoters, residents, racers, and at the end of the day find out you spent $100,000 to make $3,000. You should be happy, say thank you, and go play.
quote:Originally posted by wagspe208: OK, I'm done bustin SLDBA's balls. It is a damn good club with damn good people. I'd encourage everyone that can, to run with them this year. Wags
wags, i'd say they're all dam good clubs with dam good people.
bryan, some years back a quasi-promoter came by my house and we talked for several hours. he'd been involved in putting on races for 25 years. the way he explained the ihba relationship, promotors were required to "escrow" the purse prior to the event, so the purse was always part of the sanctioning agreement, paid in full. i think with clubs, registration is a primary revenue stream which can oscillate from race to race, so the purses tend to oscillate.
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Buzz, I guess I don't understand why SLDBA can only race where there are promoters? OK, I get Creve Couer is 6g. Personally, I'd dump that place. We had 1 awesome race there in 10 years. There is a lot of water around that does not cost 6g a weekend. What am I missing? Wags
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quote:Originally posted by wagspe208: Buzz, so by your comments I assume you will be running for points this year and go to at least 2 of the out of town races? Awesome for you.
Sign me up for an easy board position.
Wags
I will run as many races as my time and budget will allow. (Crewing for the Spirit of Texas and doing the Lucas series will interfear with some.)I will be attending a total of 17 races and have my boat at 6. As of right now I get 28 days of vacation(25 days & carried over 3 days) and I would need 31 days if I do things the same as last year. So I will have to make ajustments. My deal was that I was going to race any race within 2-3 hrs of STL (That is what my budget will allow) So it looks like 3 STL and 3 KY. So to answer your question, No I was not going to race for points but I was going to try and support two Assn. Oh I almost forgot I have to give my wife 5 days of my vacation for her so I guess she will get the 3 days between Augusta and Highpoint to go to Myrtle Beach and two days after the WF in PHX to go to Vegas.
The MARKETING position and Field Services Position are open!!or you can for VP. I'm sure Dave Schmidt wouldn't mind. They are all EASY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
quote:Originally posted by wagspe208: Buzz, I guess I don't understand why SLDBA can only race where there are promoters? OK, I get Creve Couer is 6g. Personally, I'd dump that place. We had 1 awesome race there in 10 years. There is a lot of water around that does not cost 6g a weekend. What am I missing? Wags
I would love to get rid of CC but now you are down to TWO race course that belong to SLDBA. Where is all this water you speak of????. The reason you need a local promoter is because of the time and contacts you need to have to get one of these off the ground and running. It is ALOT easier if you have some one local who knows everyone and can do the leg work and find local sponsors. Not to mention SLDBA doesn't have the $$$$$$$$ to lay out to be a promoter of to many races.
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Wags, it does cost to promote races. Keep in mind that without Jimmy Booher (Quarter Mile Marketing) and Jim Miles garage stepping up with extra cash, New Athens was very close to not happening last year. Promoters risk money and have to work extremely hard and smart to have a chance for a reasonable return on any promotion. Drag boat racing appears to be extra difficult.
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Geee man I thought CC was at the least fair race site. It had most of the good stuff.
But your right about it. I have been trying to put a race together. $155,000.00 was the budget projection, almost a hundred items on a speadsheet. That was just the big headings, the small stuff was in the individual file folders. That didn't included 50 weekend sposorships for some of the boats. That was everything I could think of to make a succsessful race.
The water it takes to do a race ain't easy to come by. Just the physical layout, let alone the cost. Number one is the shutdown area, then ramps, then spectator view, Pits, spectator parking, secure site (if your collecting ticket money ya gotta have that). 500k MSA (Metropolitan Statistical Area) Big enough population to get a good crowd. Actually this should be number one. If your a promoter
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quote:Originally posted by wagspe208: Buzz, I guess I don't understand why SLDBA can only race where there are promoters? OK, I get Creve Couer is 6g. Personally, I'd dump that place. We had 1 awesome race there in 10 years. There is a lot of water around that does not cost 6g a weekend. What am I missing? Wags
The reason you need a local promoter is because of the time and contacts you need to have to get one of these off the ground and running. It is ALOT easier if you have some one local who knows everyone and can do the leg work and find local sponsors. Not to mention SLDBA doesn't have the $$$$$$$$ to lay out to be a promoter of to many races.
OK, I can see local contacts thing. I guess this is where KDBA is lucky. Same water 3 times...now I see the point you were making. Thanks. Water... Evansville (no promoter), Litchfield (no promoter), New Athens (assbag promoter). Water seems to be easier than promoter. I get it. Wags
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quote:Originally posted by wagspe208: Buzz, I guess I don't understand why SLDBA can only race where there are promoters? OK, I get Creve Couer is 6g. Personally, I'd dump that place. We had 1 awesome race there in 10 years. There is a lot of water around that does not cost 6g a weekend. What am I missing? Wags
The reason you need a local promoter is because of the time and contacts you need to have to get one of these off the ground and running. It is ALOT easier if you have some one local who knows everyone and can do the leg work and find local sponsors. Not to mention SLDBA doesn't have the $$$$$$$$ to lay out to be a promoter of to many races.
OK, I can see local contacts thing. I guess this is where KDBA is lucky. Same water 3 times...now I see the point you were making. Thanks. Water... Evansville (no promoter), Litchfield (no promoter), New Athens (assbag promoter). Water seems to be easier than promoter. I get it. Wags
Evansville: Great course no way to recoupe cost.(Can not have a gate) No Sponsor, at mercy of Grain Elevator. Litchfield: City had complaint that spectator had to walk to far. They wanted to move all racers to outramp parking lot and let spectaters park where pits were.(no t-shirt sales for racer due to the spectater being so far away) They also wanted SLDBA to pick up more of the cost and run the gates. New Athens (I agree)
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I THINK I READ THIS RIGHT, BUZZ YOU WILL BE AT KY FOR 3 OF OUR RACES, GREAT, YOU ARE VERY WELCOME, AS A CLUB WE WANT TO WELCOME YOU AND HOPE YOU ENJOY YOUR WEEKEND, WE NEED SOME FRESH BLOOD ANYWAY. KEEP THIS A SECRET YOU DONT WANT TO PARK ON THE FIRST LEVEL BECAUSE YOU WILL HAVE TO PUT UP WITH ED'S BIG HEAD AND YOU FORSURE DONT WANT TO PARK ON THE SECOND LEVEL BECAUSE WAGS IS THERE. SO THAT LEAVES THE THIRD LEVEL, WHERE ALL OF US NORMAL PEOPLE ARE. LOL.
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Buzz, there is room right next to me. I have to have someone to jaw at. I don't know where you will park your trailers trailer, though. LOL Wags
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quote:Originally posted by wagspe208: Buzz, there is room right next to me. I have to have someone to jaw at. I don't know where you will park your trailers trailer, though. LOL Wags
If my partner has his way well have toter and 40ft enclosed (less vehicles than the four loaded pickups and a car hauler with the boat on backwards.)Klamputs come to KY
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[/qb][/QUOTE]If my partner has his way well have toter and 40ft enclosed (less vehicles than the four loaded pickups and a car hauler with the boat on backwards.)Klamputs come to KY [/QB][/QUOTE] I don't get this. Isn't it a pain in the ass to pack, unpack, etc all this BS? Maybe I am just jealous because all that fancy stuff is out of my price range. Maybe I am lazy. Hell, I don't know. Good luck Buzz. Wags
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If my partner has his way well have toter and 40ft enclosed (less vehicles than the four loaded pickups and a car hauler with the boat on backwards.)Klamputs come to KY [/QB][/QUOTE] I don't get this. Isn't it a pain in the ass to pack, unpack, etc all this BS? Maybe I am just jealous because all that fancy stuff is out of my price range. Maybe I am lazy. Hell, I don't know. Good luck Buzz.
The trailer stays packed. Only the boat comes out at the shop. Put the boat in, hook it up and go. Hey it is TOTALLY OUT OF MINE TO!!! but they have it and they want to use it so who am I to argue!!!!! I do have the toter listed on here if any one wants to buy it!! Wags [/QB][/QUOTE]
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quote:Originally posted by wagspe208: I don't get this. Isn't it a pain in the ass to pack, unpack, etc all this BS? Maybe I am just jealous because all that fancy stuff is out of my price range. Maybe I am lazy. Hell, I don't know. Good luck Buzz. Wags
i'm with you wags. sometimes, i feel like i'm goin to an rv contest/show-n-shine, and maybe a boat race'll break out...
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