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At the meeting Saturday the SLDBA board voted to co points with KDBA IF KDBA could move the Livermore race up 1 week. I think this is a big step. KDBA (tenatively pending board approval) agreed to let pro mod keep their entry fee to go back to the purse (300 per boat) and the club would throw in another 1000 to the pro mod purse. This is a step in the right direction between the clubs. It may be for naught as several KDBA members go to a show in Pennsylvania and have been doing it for a couple of years and that is the proposed weekend. Slug Hefner wondered why 2 clubs iwthin 200 miles did not co points together and SLDBA sent their guys 500 to 1000 miles to go to race for points. As a matter of fact, he asked 3 times without much of an answer. Slug also acknowledged that the KDBA racers DO support Poplar Bluff. He appreciates it. Rafael C was opposed to co points with KDBA. His main problem seemed to be no guaranteed purse for Pro Mod. Rafael also wanted to cancel the New Athens race. Tim C was opposed to paying the extra 50 entry fee to KDBA (even he would be racing for a miminum of 2x the money) These seemed to be the 2 main opposing voices. It would be 6 races in a row for guys running SDBA, and SLDBA for points, though. I take my hat off to the SLDBA board. Both clubs tried to do something. I busted their balls when they made foolish (in my opinion) decisions. I'll applaud when they do something that makes sense. The new board will be much more firendly towards KDBA (I believe). The Schimdts coming on board will help greatly. They are very good, honest people that care for the sport and racers. We will see. Wags
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I hope and will push for KDBA to support SLDBA races. Especially New Athens as the SLDBA loses money on this race. More boats there would help. Dave Schmidt puts a lot of effort into New Athens. It is a great track. It would be sad to lose it. Wags
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I would personally think that KDBA went the extra mile and then some in an effort to bring a copoints race about. When you consider that SLDBA is already copoints with four other sites and Livermore is the last of them, how many racers could KDBA expect to gain at Livermore from SLDBA? On the other hand Poplar bluff is the first race in the area and would be essential for anyone running for KDBA points. I like Steve and others have pushed for a copoints agreement between the clubs for several years now. The obstinacy of SLDBA's refusal is hard to understand. But as Steve says "it is what it is" They have been willing to copoints with other clubs which did not recpricate. There is no recprication from Lucas or SDBA yet they have chosen to copoints with both of them for two races each and make two mandatory for championship points. They are going to have a gas nozzle on the SLDBA trophies .
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quote:Originally posted by Ray Neudecker: I would personally think that KDBA went the extra mile and then some in an effort to bring a copoints race about. When you consider that SLDBA is already copoints with four other sites and Livermore is the last of them, how many racers could KDBA expect to gain at Livermore from SLDBA? On the other hand Poplar bluff is the first race in the area and would be essential for anyone running for KDBA points. I like Steve and others have pushed for a copoints agreement between the clubs for several years now. The obstinacy of SLDBA's refusal is hard to understand. But as Steve says "it is what it is" They have been willing to copoints with other clubs which did not recpricate. There is no recprication from Lucas or SDBA yet they have chosen to copoints with both of them for two races each and make two mandatory for championship points. They are going to have a gas nozzle on the SLDBA trophies .
Livermore would not be optional... mandatory race. KDBA would go to New Athens...mandatory. Rest of it is what it is. Wags
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Sorry, things changed too fast to keep up. The initial proposal was Poplar Bluff. That would have been fairer for both to be at the end of the championship season. Copoints appeals to fewer racers at the end of the season than earlier. Tim can save that $50 and drive a few hundred miles more for half the potential winnings. Hard to follow that logic. If KDBA wants a fifth race for the points, they can align with Lucas at the Missouri site in Sept. They would likely be less frustrating than SLDBA to work with.
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quote:Originally posted by Ray Neudecker: . If KDBA wants a fifth race for the points, they can align with Lucas at the Missouri site in Sept.
Or they could use Augusta or High Point. Would be a heck of a lot shorter drive for me!
KDBA is thinking about that also. We need input. Lucas needs support at those venues. It will be discussed at the meeting. Come on up Mike...hell you won all the races. Be heard. You Carolina boys do a lot for the club. Wags
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Thanks Wags, but I didn't win them all. Broke out in the finals at Livermore. Waited till the last round of the season to make my rookie mistake. Guess I can't complain.
I will be at the KDBA meeting in February, can't speak for the rest of the Carolina guys. See you there.
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Actually, they could make Augusta ,High Point or Missouri as an option. Choose one at the first race. Some of the S.C. and Alabama racers might prefer that option.
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I would like to see every group who will benefit from LUCAS involvment make the Wheatland race a points race for their club/assn/group or what ever. Wouldn't that be cool to have so many boats they have to start qualifing at 6:00 am and run till dark just to get one round in. (without any issues or problems) We all know this will benefit everyone involved. Hell I just went from paying $200 for just a membership to paying $200, getting $150 in oil product and $100 in sparkplugs. Whats next???????????? OH YEAH THEY SHOWED SPORTSMAN CLASSES ON TV!!!!!!! GREAT start for us now we need to recipricate by putting our best foot forward and making the new LUCAS TRACK the biggest badest thing they have ever seen.
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quote:Originally posted by RSQBUZZ: I would like to see every group who will benefit from LUCAS involvment make the Wheatland race a points race for their club/assn/group or what ever. Wouldn't that be cool to have so many boats they have to start qualifing at 6:00 am and run till dark just to get one round in. (without any issues or problems) We all know this will benefit everyone involved. Hell I just went from paying $200 for just a membership to paying $200, getting $150 in oil product and $100 in sparkplugs. Whats next???????????? OH YEAH THEY SHOWED SPORTSMAN CLASSES ON TV!!!!!!! GREAT start for us now we need to recipricate by putting our best foot forward and making the new LUCAS TRACK the biggest badest thing they have ever seen.
All for it! Better yet, move the World Finals to Wheatland. That would make it more accessible for the east coast guys who would want to participate in the "Shot at the Title" for their class.
All for it! Better yet, move the World Finals to Wheatland. That would make it more accessible for the east coast guys who would want to participate in the "Shot at the Title" for their class. [/QB][/QUOTE]
The issue you would have with that is "It is pretty cold in NOV in Missouri!" and the chance for bad waether is really increased.
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I don't doubt it. The point I was trying to make is that if the "Shot at the Title" format is going to make it a one race deal for the National Title, make the race a little more centralized. 2000 miles one way makes it real hard for the east coast boats to even contend for the title.
Great concept, just needs few tweaks to make it more realistic.
quote:Originally posted by RSQBUZZ: I would like to see every group who will benefit from LUCAS involvment make the Wheatland race a points race for their club/assn/group or what ever.
Damn Buzz...we almost agree. CZ said to put it on the schedule too. We actually agreed! This is a good idea. Unfortunately it is probably not possible for the west coast guys. I bet the turnout will be awesome! Lucas also needs support on the east coast. It is a bummer we all cannot go to all the races. Most guys (including me) have to pick and choose. Wags
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The one thing that will REALLY be able to help attendance is that it is on a "HOLIDAY WEEKEND" That means a free travel day on Monday where you don't have to take off work!!!!! One day off instead of two really helps me and I don't have to "RUSH" home Sunday night to work Monday
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Don't think it will happen this year but I would think it might be a good bet next year. Early October should get 'er done.
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quote:Originally posted by kwitchabitchin821: The issue you would have with that is "It is pretty cold in NOV in Missouri!" and the chance for bad weather is really increased.
Who said the world finals had to be in November
You would want ALL the associations to be done racing and give time for the racers to get everything fix and have all the spare parts they might need. I can tell you the teams I have worked with have thrown 10 time amount of parts at that race that they would do at a normal one.
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the championship race location i believe for most of us east is still quite a haul. i took the week off to make the two day drive to phoenix to race for three days and a two day trip back, with little or no sleep. i believe it took years off my life let alone a broken motor plate on one trip and a busted hull on another just from the 1600 miles on the road. wheatland under any weather is at least a possibility for those of us in alabama.
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quote:Originally posted by michaellone: I don't doubt it. The point I was trying to make is that if the "Shot at the Title" format is going to make it a one race deal for the National Title, make the race a little more centralized. 2000 miles one way makes it real hard for the east coast boats to even contend for the title.
Great concept, just needs few tweaks to make it more realistic.
My understanding on the title is, you acumulate points all season, then the top points getters from each assoc. plus the at large racers, would meet at the world finals and when the race was over, the racer with the most points would win. This would be for each sportsman class.
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"Champion of each LODBRS, Bracket, Sportsman and PCE Class, will be determined by points accumulated during qualifying and round wins at the LODBRS World Finals. Pairings for ‘Shot at the Title’, will be according to qualifying position for LODBRS World Finals. Should there a tie for the point lead, a run-off will be held, and if necessary pairings will be by a blind draw."
So the only the people at the World Finals have a "Shot at the Title". The expense of traveling 2000 miles and taking a week off of work puts that race out of reach (and any chance at the title). That is why I would like to see the "Shot at the Title" race moved to a more central location... like Wheatland.
quote:Originally posted by michaellone: I don't doubt it. The point I was trying to make is that if the "Shot at the Title" format is going to make it a one race deal for the National Title, make the race a little more centralized. 2000 miles one way makes it real hard for the east coast boats to even contend for the title.
Great concept, just needs few tweaks to make it more realistic.
My understanding on the title is, you acumulate points all season, then the top points getters from each assoc. plus the at large racers, would meet at the world finals and when the race was over, the racer with the most points would win. This would be for each sportsman class.
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I understand it to be the racer who wins "The Shot at the Title" race in each sportsman class,held during qualifing on friday and saturday.
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As stated on the Lucas Oil Drag Boats website:
"Champion of each LODBRS, Bracket, Sportsman and PCE Class, will be determined by points accumulated during qualifying AND ROUND WINS at the LODBRS World Finals. Pairings for ‘Shot at the Title’, will be according to qualifying position for LODBRS World Finals. Should there a tie for the point lead, a run-off will be held, and if necessary pairings will be by a blind draw."
Just going by what Lucas has published on their website, the Champion will be determined by the point earned from their qualifying spot and from any round wins during eliminations.
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